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Hello, everyone, this is Dr. Shiva, Dre, we have a special interview for you with the head of the
Dutch farmers Defense Force. And we also have one of our warrior scholars, Jeffrey, Billy Otto on. So today we’re going to give everyone and this will be available obviously on all platforms. But for Mark,
who’s out in Holland and Jeffrey, it’s late. So we wanted to get do about a 30 minute interview. But we want to talk about is why why are the Dutch farmers protesting? And what’s actually going on there? So the title of today’s talk is, you know, why are Dutch farmers protesting, we’re doing a live interview with Mark from the Dutch farmers Defense Force. And just to let everyone know where it is, and we’ll come back to our movement here, everyone knows, if you want to learn more about our movement for truth, Freedom health, go to VA shiva.com. And there’s a video there that you can run, and I’ll run it towards the end. And you can support this movement, which is really to educate people on taking a systems approach to understand the links between freedom, truth and health. And what’s going on in Holland is a is a wonderful way to understand this. And all of you are welcome to come every Thursdays at 11am or 8pm, to our orientation to learn more about the movement now, where is the Netherlands? Okay?
The Dutch people from the Netherlands I know most of the schools don’t teach geography anymore. So it’s important to understand where is another one. So here’s, you know, the United States. Here’s Europe. And right here is another lens. And you can see the Netherlands is surrounded by Belgium, in the south,
and sort of Luxembourg also to the south, but Germany to the
east here. Okay. So this is the area that we’re talking about. Netherlands is actually part of NATO, and Netherlands, Luxembourg were the founding members within NATO. So that’s just to give you a quick background. So without delay, let’s just go right to let’s go to Mark Vanden over who’s a president of the farmers defense force, which has really been leading the Dutch farmers protesting. And Geoffrey Bill Yato, who’s one of our warrior scholars. Jeffrey, I want you to basically tell us how you met Mark. Go ahead, Jeffrey. And then if you can take about one minute and then we’ll go right to mark. Go ahead. Jeffrey. Kay, during the four days, much in Nijmegen out when looking for Mark, so it took me three days to find mark. So on the last day, I met Mark and yeah, I told him about the movement and about the interview, like, like to be interviewed. So he was willing to work to
do to get interviewed. Right. So I think, Jeffrey, you said you had to take a bus to train and then you had to walk right to find here. Okay, it took me like walking around in Nijmegen. Yeah, couldn’t find milk. So yeah, I met a professor. So I gave him a
flyer. So can you show the flyer, Jeffery? Yeah. You took one of our flyers, and you did it in? I think you didn’t you also do it in in Bucha. Can you show it to everyone?
So Jeffrey took one of our beyond left and right flyers right there, hold it still. Just hold it still. Because of the camera gets it. And then you translated it into that right? Yeah. Show the Dutch version.
There. All right.
Great. Yeah. Yeah, that I met Mark in the year. It was like it was a good day. And Mark was like giving out cheese and meal kind of food. I got milk from Mark and yeah, it was. It was like, was foods and drinks. And yeah, people were walking by and getting.
Yeah, right wouldn’t brings.
So let’s go to Mark. So Mark, what we want to do is if you can educate people, mark on what’s been so if you can give us a little bit of history of the Netherlands, relative to agriculture. The main statistic I know is that the Netherlands? You need to unmute yourself, Mark.
There you go.
Yeah, if you can give us sort of the agriculture history of Netherlands I know Netherlands is the number two exporter next to the United States of agricultural goods.
And then if you can talk about what’s been going on the media has essentially been trying to block this out and try to say something recent, but this has been going on for a long time, right. So go ahead mark.
The history of agriculture at home,
we have a long history with it. But
it’s really started being the biggest exporter after the Second World War.
Because our country was devastated. And suffering needs to be done. Because in 1944, everybody was really hungry, and in 1945, so there was a common sense that we never never wanted to be hungry again. So then came the Americans in combination with
a Dutch professor. And they find out the Marshall Plan. And with the Marshall Plan, they
give a lot of credits to farmers
to high
to higher the production.
So new techniques and bigger scale, and so on, after a while, they really
did a little new landscaping in our country. And they created new lands in the sea. And they make
walls around it and pump out the water, and then create a new grounds, they the grounds turned out really, really fertile. The it was the soil of the sea. But it was really fertile. So after 10 years of drying, this ground is the best ground maybe even in the world. Wow.
And
in the meantime, also, they collected small pieces of land, put them together and treated everybody for everybody. So the lands scale gets bigger. So we could start working with machines, because it was also the time of industrialization. And the first tractors were coming, because first was everything with with horses and stuff.
This will turn out so well, that production increased rapidly. And it was also really booming economy with 10% a year. So also, people were consuming a lot more. So this everything pushed really much i We go through economy. Now what year was that? Mark? Yeah, around 1966, prior to nine. So prior to 1960, Holland wasn’t producing wasn’t so big agriculture. So all of this was created through engineering, right? They pumped? Okay, got it. Right. And then they discovered in the north of one, they discovered a lot of gas was under the ground.
With this gas, of course, they were selling it to everybody in Europe made a lot of money with it. But also, we started with the greenhouses, too,
that we could grow X not into products like flowers or cucumbers or tomatoes, stuff like that. And we more and more specialized with this, but with this, you get a lot of production of a small area.
So like with tomatoes, you produce around the 1 million kilo a hectare. So this may also a lot of the export booming because we also highly productive. It was also because of that.
This, this go on for it 2030 years, but then also livestock increase it more and more. But then we started to walk to borders, because there was a lot of manure, and there was too many cattle. And sometimes disease broke out. And then also politics started to change. And they wanted to stop growing, at least with animals. And this go on and on. But this politics change and change more and more.
And from the ID from never getting hungry again. They started
think like we have enough food forever, and it never going to stop again anymore. So they want less and less food that we produce. So that’s more or less how it’s going. And then what year was that Mark?
Yeah, it’s in the 1990s. It started so 19
After the Marshall Plan,
Holland or the Netherlands started really booming farming. So they explosively grew between 1960 to 1990. They were producing manure so the government said oh, we need to put some
regulations on this. Yeah. Started in late 1990s. Right around early 2000. If I remember. Yeah. And then the client flu broke out. And this was what broke out.
Now this one, the swine flu, swine flu. Yep. Yeah.
This took,
like one year before it was under control. And then was the first change. And they took around 10 20%, or pigs.
And they took it away from us without compensation. So they still didn’t basically.
How do they do that? So the government literally came and took the pigs. No, it’s like this. You get?
Like, for me, my, my farm we.
Mark, we lost you.
Folks, we lost you. We can hear you. There you go. And then we get as you call this, you got the right to produce? Yeah, this was sort of a quota. Like, they give you a ration you can produce so many. Okay, yeah. But then I got only 320.
So they reduce how many you could produce? Yeah, I say, okay, got it. So that was basically the first setback.
And without compensation, so and then people start changing, and it gets worse and worse. And our government, they’re starting to sponsor all kinds of antiviral and environmental clubs, that were against farmers, because it’s always against farmers. And even today, they sponsor around, I think, between 10 and 20 million a year to environmental clubs, to agitate against farming.
And also they
go to court, and they push got the push the government to reduce emissions. So this is how things are working. And at least this time,
the Josh’s farm, much influenced by the 66 is,
is the party that is really against us. So a lot of
the cases are close with the
with how to say,
we end the production has to be lowered. So this is the biggest problem. Also shell has a nice drop 50% of his production. So these are things that are going on in Holland. So it’s not only against farming, it’s mainly against farming. But it’s also against shell. It’s one of the biggest oil companies in the world. Probably, you know, it’s
one of the issues, or both our Yeah, our government sponsors clubs with that don’t have members, but they have a lot of money to
get these things done in court. So there’s a whole system marked again, Mark, let me just summarize that I think in 2019, I think was it September 9 of 2019. is D 66. They worked with the government to pass this policy which says that they have to reduce livestock by 50%, and emissions by 50%. And
that was a big thing that took place right in in September of 2019 50. They have to half the amount of livestock. Is that right?
Yeah, that’s right. Yeah. But just a few months before, there was an attack from a club meet the victims. And they go into a picture in quite close to my village like 50 kilometers or something.
And they go there. And the police didn’t took them out for like 1214 hours. And more and more farmers were gathering around this pig farm. And we’re getting more and more angry, angry. And at this time I started the Facebook club and is the English Facebook Club was farmers Defense Force. And beginning at only three members and then I ate and the third day I attend. But then the fourth day it exploded. And it’s exploded to 300 and I think oh this is really good getting big. But then a one month I get 14,000 members. And so did what this was the point that we have some
out to say some platform that we could reach people. Also we have some kind of warning system with WhatsApp groups in every province of Holland that when there is an attack you can put over there in WhatsApp
up, and then everybody’s coming to your place to help you to kick out these enrollment waves. So this was the start of our club. And then in September, then
demolition goes, what year mark? September. What year? Was it? 19 2008? Yep. Yeah.
But then we already invented the, yeah, the T shirts and the logo that we have here. You know, this was all in place, but a really small scale. But then actually, it’s something that we had to have the Katelyn Hollins. And somebody on my Facebook club said, Maybe we should go to the Eric, that’s where our government is. And this totally exploded in two weeks. And then they were like 20,000 farmers going to the hay, and we had the stage over there. And we had sponsors and everything in two weeks, you know, it was getting really big really fast. That’s in October, right? 2019?
Yeah.
So and then four days later, our government gave a letter that indeed, this, this capital needs to be half.
So then we go again, on 16th of October, we go again to the egg, but then we double the amount of tractors and people who already
Yeah, and then they see oh, this is going to be a big problem, what we have here, this is not what we used to in Holland, because we were never protesting. And this is how, yeah, it took almost three years to now
that we delayed everything. And there was a lot of investigation, or a lot of false
information coming from the government. And we were always fighting against it, and then trying to get the facts into the media. This was what we were doing the last three years. And protesting, of course, yeah, this is this real little bit. So Mark, let me just so basically, in September of 2019, they say you have to have everything. You guys have the initial protests on October 1 at The Hague. And then in October 16. Two weeks later, it goes from 20,000 to 40,000 people. And then the government realized that you guys are serious. So then they delayed, right. Yeah, did they do? So they’d be? They didn’t push it, right. They didn’t force you to do the halfing. Right. No, not not immediately. But they know, they want to do it gradually. And they were trying to get it done. But we were organizing, not only that, as far as the fence falls, but all kinds of other clubs in Holland, we are putting together, and then we start negotiation negotiations with the government. And this took half a year. And then this negotiation exploded because they didn’t want to do anything with it. What we said we, Mark, what year was that? When were you negotiating?
2000.
So your protest explodes in 2019. Then in 2020, you’re in negotiations, right? Yeah. And then the negotiations fall apart? And of 2020. Right? No, and have enough of 2020 Okay, and then you go back to protesting again? Yeah, then then then it gives them a strong regulations, that they said how we have to feed the cows. And the farmers then took it because we decide ourselves how we feed the cows, because we knew I want to be free.
This, then we have another eruption of
work, Mark. The government told you how to feed the cows. Yeah. So they don’t they produce less nitrogen. Is that was that the idea? Yeah. So what did the government tell you to do? How to feed the cows? What did they say? Or they say there is a maximum of protein that you can have in your father. So and then, but that always law also lowers production?
So, yeah, that was the biggest issue, of course, and it is also not healthy. For all the cows, sometimes it can sometimes it cannot. But in this
half year, before, we had all kinds of things invented, how to reduce emissions, you know, you can feed the mass, or you can put a more on the grass fields are less in the shed, then you can put the manure together with water, then you get better.
I’d say that, that works better and your crops go grow better, and you have less emissions. So we have different options. But we wanted that the farmers could choose what option they took to lower the emissions that were fitted best to their company, because there are different kinds of companies with different kinds of cars.
and different kinds of strategies. So there needs to be choice. What how to lower the emissions? That was our ID, but our government just say, No, you’re not going to feed them anymore like this? Or why do we give you a fine? So yeah, Mark, we teach our people in our movement, about one size fits all versus personalization. So this is what the vaccine stuff, right? That said, everyone’s got to get the vaccine, or everyone’s got to do this. So the government top down is telling all of you guys that everyone should just do this one thing to every farm. And on a different options, right, we can do this or this or this, because every farm is a little bit different. The cows are different. The one size fits all model is very dumb, right? So they were just telling everyone to do this. Okay, so that was in 2020. Right? You were trying to negotiate. So then what happened in in after 2020, the middle of 2020.
I’m, we started protesting really hard and really strong. And also we go to court.
They’re not we exactly. Put another club go to court. And when this was always a date for court, the government knew that they’re going to lose. And there was a lot of tractors on the field and things organic, totally out of control. The tractors were driving on Yep, airfields and stuff like that. So then they said, no, no, we’re not going to put forward this legislation anymore. So they go in reverse. So okay, we want this small victory. What year was that? End of 2020 2020 20? End of 2020. Right. Yeah. Yeah. And then it was quiet for quite a long time. And then we had new.
New, what was it? Oh, no, we had a new scandal in the beginning of 2021. It was about here, how to say
it, people that don’t have much money, they get money from the government here, when you put your child in some kind of foster care.
So what it was like that they give the money. And then they say that a lot of people were frauds from tax.
And they wanted to take back the money at once. So sometimes this was like 30,000 Euro, and people didn’t have it. And sometimes
they go bankrupt. They took the children and stuff like that from them. So then they really exploded. And there was one guy that find out about this, and they bring it in public. And that this was that then the government collapse. What year 2021? Right. Yeah. Beginning, beginning just to understand so separate from your farmers protests. There was a scandal, right? With the government giving money to people for foster care. Right. Yeah. And what happened? The government was sometimes misusing that money or taking advantage of these people. What was the scandal? No, I just kind of the scammer was that they were profiling people.
They were profiling people. So there were a lot of innocent people that were no frauds, but they they say that they were frosh and they wanted to take the money back. Okay, so they were giving money to these foster people. Yeah. And then some of the people were frauds, others weren’t. But then they took money away from the people who weren’t frauds. Yeah, because they were small. It was like a few 100,000 people. So a few. Yeah, there was surveillance in people, they were watching them observing them and all that. And now they were profiling them, you know, when I didn’t know how they exactly profiling them. But when you have
low income, or you have to ensure that the things they were putting some kind of model, or you thought in the wrong box, then you thought
they were using, again, top down AI, data analytics to profile people and saying these people are frauds. Again, top down government telling people what to do. Watching them, observing them big brother, right? Yeah. Okay. So mid 2021, middle of 2021, or end of 2020. Beginning so the government fell. Don’t do elections. Okay. New elections. And then at the UK Prime Minister Margaret, you know, he was he was to blame because he was responsible, but they didn’t matter. He came back in power again. So the same people after elections were back in power, nothing changed. They promised us a lot of change, and they were going to do new kinds of
new kinds of government, government.
But it all turned out to be a hoax because
Nothing changed.
So that was what it took almost one year to form a new government. So in the meantime, nothing happened. Nothing happened. So we were also quiet. So now, from the beginning of 2022, we had a new government. Yeah, I knew it was new people, but we had the same parties. So they use changed from the one minister for the other
year, so it was the same people on different posts.
All the same shit again, and then again, with the nitrogen again. What year now? So that’s this year, beginning of this year. This year. Yeah. Right. Right.
So and then,
yeah, there’s Minister offer nitrogen, we have special Minister word. She’s not Yeah, it’s a tougher message. But we need to get to get done. And we’re gonna have a new map of Auckland. And when you are in this color, you need to reduce by 95% of your capital. And when you have this color, you need 70%, the other quarters 47 and others with that were lucky with 12%. But overall, 50 they’re going after the 50%. Even more, even more. Okay, got it. Got it. Okay.
So are we. So we get angry again, we get on the streets.
This where we, at one of these occasions, we met Jeffrey, we had a Yeah, at this moment, we had an a nice event that was public friendly, because we also are taking care of mouths public opinion.
So sometimes we’re doing positive things. But sometimes we having a tough stuff. And that is not really making everybody happy. So we are balancing between good and bad. Sometimes it’s not always the same, to keep public opinion on on our side as working part again, because public opinion is more than more on the pharma side, even even abroad, because that’s probably the reason that you want to interview us to get to know something about it.
Yeah, so mark, let will tell you a little bit about I know we haven’t talked, I don’t know how much Jeffrey shared with you. But you know, I’m wearing a suit and tie today. But I’ve been a bottoms up fighter all my life since I was 18 years old. I’m 58 right now, I believe in bottoms up movements. You know, I came from a world originally in India, which had all these caste systems and all that. But I’ve been interested in two things. Fighting bottoms up, you know, for everyday work. My grandparents were farmers, I grew up in a small village in India, they did coconut and cotton, very small farmers, you know, so I know how hard they worked. You know, they used to get up at four in the morning and work late in the evening, you know, they had to get everything right to farm farming, is how my father went to school how we got to come here. I mean, it’s a, it’s been a big history. And so I have great respect for people work hard working people like yourself. So when I came to the United States, I was very interested in, in understanding medicine, also, indigenous medicines, you know, all these foods that people grow, because it’s very good for health, but also why there was injustice in the world. So over many years, I did my degrees in engineering. And then I ran for office a couple of years ago and learned the election systems, the United States are all corrupt. So we have a movement. It’s called Truth, freedom and health, that we have to have freedom. Without freedom, you can’t really get to science. Now one of the graphs, I just want to share it with you here is this. So I’m an engineer and a scientist, you know, I’ve gotten to the, what’s called the best school in the world. MIT right. So I have a little bit of experience in how all this works. So if you look at this graph here, this is the way science is supposed to work. You come up with a scientific theory, right? Let’s say you you theorize like nitrogen hurts the environment, okay? With this theory, but then you’re supposed to you make predictions, and you’re supposed to see the actual observations in the real world. And if these observations are true, then it validates your theory. If it’s not true, it doesn’t matter. This is science. So if you look at tire emissions theory, it’s all bullshit. They came up with a theory saying co2 is hurting the environment, which is absolutely false. The co2 environment, right and co2 emissions, for example, have been the lowest ever in human history, okay, ever. co2 actually helps plants. So the co2 emission theories, all bullshit. So, basically, they don’t even practice science. They don’t care about practicing science because their observations are not matching the predictions you say? So, this is the foundation of scientific theory. So I just wanted to share with you that so what they’ve done is they’re making up science they just made they base it on peer review opinions, and these top governmental
bodies have a bunch of idiots, and then they fund these idiots. I think what you’re telling me is they gave 10 to $20 million to these clubs, which are basically terrorists. And they’ve been terrorizing the farmers, right, telling them what to grow. And then they’re making up theories about how you should farm. That would be like someone telling me how to, if I’m engineering something or writing software, imagine the government telling me how I should write my software code. There is how to farm. And they don’t even give you a choice. They just say you will do this. And that’s it. That’s right. So to summary, what you’re saying is in 2019, in a September of 2019, they impose this regulation, you have to reduce the livestock by 50%. You guys started protesting, and they got scared. So but 2019 to end of 2019 2020, early 2020, they went into negotiations, right? And then those negotiations fell, fell apart in the middle of 2020. And then they had this big scandal that hit right. So they changed the government in middle of 2021. And then they came back again, with same shit. Like you said, new government, but same old people. And the goal. You guys even harder is that’s pretty much the timeline, right? So you guys are basically protesting, because you don’t want the government top down telling you what to do. Right? You guys have been doing this for hundreds of years as farmers. Yeah. And I want also to say something, because it was really nice that you had this graphic here, but
about scientific stuff in Holland, we have this thing.
They work with models, and they have a government that they say is independence. It’s called our EVM. And it’s independent. It investigates all kinds of things. For instance, not just machines for us. But with COVID. They were also having the predictions, and should we wear the mask or not. And
they say that they are scientists, but we show and we had a lot of investigation in it.
By by law, we can get all their documents, and we did we ask a lot of documents for them. And sometimes you have to go to court and for it, but then you get the documents. And we showed that these models were corrupt. Yeah, they were they were wrong, sometimes. More than 100%.
Yep. Yeah.
Yes, yeah. Very important. What you’re saying here, you see in science, you do these things called, that’s the model. The model over here is a scientific theory. Now, if this model is correct, it makes predictions and the predictions have to match observations. And this stuff matches, it’s all bullshit. The scientists are basically horse they’re, they’re prostitutes, the scientists that
they make up, they actually make the observations fit their predictions, they just bullshit. And this is what’s been happening with the entire climate science stuff. It’s one big bullshit to control. Centralized top down.
Yeah, exactly. It’s all about money. Because the all these
scientists, they get a lot of money from it. Yeah, university. Marketing is really highly recommended in the world. But it gets 800 million euros a year from the government? Uh huh. Well, integrated states, they allocated $2 billion
to university funding, any idiot Mark, if he puts the word climate change on anything, if he says cockroaches called Climate Change, he’ll get funding. So that’s what so and they created a field called climate science. It’s not even a field. So what the reason I was, I’m going to, I have a good guy, and I’m a dick Lindsey, and he’s a professor at MIT. Several years ago, I did a video showing that the entire Paris Accords were just garbage. It’s all was one big financial scheme.
Professor Lenzen at MIT did the same thing. 140 Professors attacked him, even though he’s one of the number one mathematicians in the world physicists. So but it’s one big prostitution framework. Most of these scientists are prostitutes, it’s the best way. In fact, prostitutes are probably more honest than them. These guys act as though that they are doing science but all they’re doing is you tell them to write this. They’ll manipulate the data because they get paid. It has nothing to do with reality. Exactly. Yeah.
We have a name for it.
And it’s something like policy.
How to say
yeah, that’s it.
What you get funded when you do science as a scientific research that
has the common politics, right? This how things work? And also this big?
Ah, ha, the IPPC? Do you know it? Yeah, this
is a political club. But they they,
they say that they are scientists, you know, and they say they have
the truth about climate change, but it’s just a politician or politics, whether what they’re doing the IPCC, I’ve read through their document. And if you read through their document, actually, it’s about, you know, a couple 1000 pages in the middle of it, they will admit, so they have these mathematical models, I did a report on this last year. So for example, they have 40 different mathematical models, predicting how much ice will melt on the Arctic 40 different, okay, now, if it’s real science, those 40 models should predict the same thing, right. But every model predicts like the ice cream flavors, different amount of ice one says no ice will melt. Another one says 100% will melt at 90, so it doesn’t matter, they have a flavor for everyone. So this is not science. This is like imagine me dropping a ball from the sky. And one model says the ball will
only hit 50 feet, you know, another will say 100 feet. It’s not science, it’s complete garbage. And this is why Mark, I’m glad you and Jeffrey met because what we want to teach people is that there is a physics to building a movement. And what’s happening globally is they’re attacking freedom here, you say they suppress freedom.
So if I came up with a different theory, saying nitrogen doesn’t cause anything, they will never let that truth come out. So the scientists are working with the government to suppress freedom, the billionaires and trillionaires. So when you suppress freedom, you don’t get to have free speech, you don’t have dialogue, so they make up truth. So the truth gets attacked. So without freedom, you don’t have truth. And we don’t have freedom and truth, you affect the health, the health of people, the health of your farmers, the health of the economy, the health of everything. And without health, if people are weak, they’re not getting proper food or proper infrastructure, they can’t fight for freedom or truth. So these things are all related. That’s why we believe that all of these movements need to come together. People are fighting for freedom, people are fighting for science, people are fighting for health, economic health, like in your case, right?
Are so over the many years Mark, what I’ve come to the conclusion is there is a science, just like there’s a way to farm, right, which I know very little about you do. But there’s a physics to building a movement, we have to connect the movements for truth, freedom and health. Because what the trillionaires and billionaires are doing the elites, they have something in their head of what they think the world should look like, top down. And so what they’re doing is they control freedom, what can be said on social media and the news and how the news things, they control science. And then they affect the health of all of us. Yeah, we so we’re very
supportive of what you’re doing. Because you guys have built a bottoms up movement, you went from yourself, three people, then you said 14 people, then to 10,000, bottoms up. Now what we’ve seen when these bottoms up, movement comes up, there will be these other forces that will talk the talk, and they will try to hijack movements, and we’ve seen this a things but they’ll actually be working with the establishment. And so we train people, what we call the not so obvious establishment. In the United States, we have people like Bernie Sanders, you know, an AOC there with the Green Party people, right. And they say that they care about working people, but they don’t they ultimately work for the establishment. Their goal is centralization of power, top down. So with the right wing to be on the right wing, we thought Trump was going to fight for people. At the end of the day, he printed $6.9 trillion. He supported Fauci with the masks and the vaccines. So all of these guys talk, talk talk, but they never will get on the ground like you’re doing and build this bottoms up movement. They’ll come to Iran and they’ll try to hijack the movements. That’s why we want to Geoffrey and you to connect, because we really believe that you have to support the bottoms up movement. It has to be bottoms up, and you have to watch these people come from the outside top down. Yeah, I’m gonna agree with that. Because but this gives also problems of course, because in the beginning, you were you have a lot of energy, but it takes a lot of time to build, things like that. But when you want to quit, then it’s hard to find somebody else. I
At least I get
to put on the on the same page. Because yeah, that is also top down, you know, it should come from bottom up. Yeah. And it has to be. So what I’ve learned over the many, many years of building movements is there is a science to building a movement, that we have to integrate truth, freedom and health. And we educate people on that science of how to build these movements. And the biggest enemy of these movements are the not so obvious establishment. So when I was looking at the list of all these people, just wait, we want to Jeffrey to connect with you. Because you’re with farmers Defense Fund, they look like there are these other movements Party for Freedom, J 21. BV and out reform political party, right. And I don’t know if your top down, right, because sometimes they’ll talk the talk. But ultimately, they’ll sometimes negotiate something with the government to actually cut the farmers from not building a bottoms up movement. So we really think that what you’re doing is great, and you should continue building the bottoms up movement. And we will, we have, we have a lot of people are true for them and help people Jeffrey and others. And we’re gonna support you guys, you know, we’ll put out flyers. And we should, we should, we’ll do as much as we can, to let the world know that we have to support this bottoms up movement. And also, from a science standpoint, we’re gonna expose the whole climate change thing is complete bullshit. The whole thing is bullshit. end to end.
So, I believe that because we have this lot of greenhouses, like I told you before, yeah. And we always put a lot of co2 in it, because then the plants grow faster. Oh, yeah. I mean, I have a picture here. I mean, you can look, I don’t know if you can see this picture here. This is comes from this report, you see this picture there? Yeah.
What this picture is the co2 levels, the co2 levels are the lowest that they’ve ever been in the history of the planet. Look where they are, we’re right. I mean, we’re over here. Now, what happens when the co2 level goes below 180 parts per million everything dies. Okay. So, in fact, human beings prosper from co2, and these fossil fuels and the burning, we should be not have pollution. But co2 levels are the reason human population and we have had the highest levels of harvest because of co2. All of these people who grow the marijuana in the in the in the green, they pumped co2 in there. Yeah, no, we’re smoking weed. Right? They’re telling people to cut the co2. Meanwhile, they’re the ones who are benefiting from co2. The whole thing is bullshit. Yeah, no. Yeah, makes it green. It makes a planet green. In fact, the biggest reason human beings population grew about I think 50,000 years ago is when the co2 levels went up a little bit. That’s when human population grew. So the whole thing, end to end is fake science. And we’ve seen we did a video yesterday mark on Alzheimer’s, you know, the brain disease? Yeah. 16 years, these professors at University of Minnesota, Harvard for 16 years, they had faked the solution for Alzheimer’s, and they made $1 billion the scientists $1 billion on fake science. So it’s what you’re saying this whole thing is a follow the money, the money, the politicians make money. And the ultimate goal is centralization. To take away people’s rights.
That’s what it’s really.
Yeah, I see. I see that there’s this moment.
There is some kind of communist thing going on. And it’s from the United States. You know, with Biden, I see credo on the other side of the ocean. We see our government, here we have Cerulean, Germany, we have Mokona calls, you know, it’s everywhere. The same, the same kind of people are in power. They talk with the same mouth. Yeah. And the reason they’ve been getting this far is because both sides have been working together, Mark, the left and the right. And this is probably the hardest lesson because sometimes we see people on the right, say the certain things. I mean, Trump said all these things, but ultimately, when he was in power, he printed $6.9 trillion. I gave him a lot of money I support I met with him, okay. But at the end of the day, he surrounded himself with idiots. He did nothing to Fauci. It was during his period when Big Pharma exploded, you have to just look at the facts. Forget what he says. What they actually happened in the United States was during his tenure is when we printed more money than Obama, did. You say, and we’re subjugated. Now, no one wants to look at this. And I believe that those in power are very clever. Sometimes they’ll put people who talk the right things, and below they’re undercutting people. So this is why I think people need to wake up and it’s only working people like yours.
stuff Mark, we have to build a bottoms up movement. There’s no other way you can do any of these politicians. But I also think, yeah, I’m thinking quite
positive about Trump. But I’m not living in the United States, of course. But I know also, and the same here in Hong Kong, it’s not only the people that are in the spotlight, but a
lot of people in the government that doesn’t change after elections. So they do the same policies. And it’s hard for one person or a few person to change everything, you know, for sure time, even when you have the good intention, you cannot change. Everything’s every people’s mind, in the government, you know, they are totally rusted in some kind of view. And they stick with it, you know, and you don’t get it, you have to change all these people. And then yeah, there’s a lot of trouble. Why that’s what I’m saying, no matter what I’m saying is there’s you cannot No, let’s say you run for politics, and you you become the President Mark, right. In Holland, there’s no way you can change anything, because you’re surrounded by so much evil, you say, only way to change, this is precisely what you guys are doing. We have to build these bottoms up movements. It’s the only way, if you look at history, it was always these bottoms up movements, then the government did something because they got scared. So in 2020, for example, they got scared, you say 2021, they had a scandal. And now they real it’s like, it’s like the devil, they reorganize, and they come at you again. So the bottom line is we have to build these bottoms up movements, you can’t rely on politicians, whether they we don’t know what’s going on in their mind, but we can’t risk the future to politicians, it has to be working people.
Because you are always telling about the truth. But this is one of the main things when the truth is out there. They are without power. Right? You know,
this is what we did, we attacked a lot of these scientific institutions. And we attacked the village three heart and we strong, and we were there were 1000s of practice. And then all the news was there. And then we tell our stories. And then the stories came in media and they go everywhere. And then they got pressure on the government, because the truth was coming out. And when you bring the truth out, you know, you can we can talk together. But when the truth comes out to the main public, then you can reach your goals.
Yeah, I mean, one of the things that we study in our movement Mark, I know it’s getting late for you. So I’ll let you go. But in the 1900s, in the United States, and all over the world, working people were starting to build these movements. So if you think about 1900s, they had the 18 hour workday, people wanted 10 hour workday, right? People were getting all these diseases, right? There was no infrastructure. So in the United States right here, women started protesting bottoms up massive protests. And the government got so scared in the 1930s 20s. They gave people infrastructure, irrigation water, they eliminated but and then because they didn’t do it, because they cared about working people, they did it because they were afraid that they were going to lose the whole government.
And but by 1950, Mark, what happened was, so there was a bottoms up movements. And then the left wing and the right wing got together the right wing, called all of those movements, communists, Marxist socialist, so they branded them, and then the left wing took over those topped the bottoms up movements, and they created unions. So by 1970, and this happened worldwide. So by 1970, all of these bottoms up movements got destroyed, they got taken over hijacked by the left. So the left over all the bottoms up movements and the right. Anytime you said, hey, I want to build a bottoms and they’ll do this to your movement watch. They’ll say, Oh, you guys are leftist communists, you’re radicals. Whenever
we are Nazis, they call us or Nazis, Nazis. Right. But what I’m saying is, though, they’ll create this left right narrative. But ultimately, that’s why I think the biggest thing the danger is, if we don’t continue the bottoms up movements, we have to always rely on working people. We cannot rely on politicians, period. If they sound good, because it’ll just be temporary. They’ll wait for five years and they’ll come back and stab you in the back. Yeah.
Someone just posted on your trump, for example, he taught all this stuff. He didn’t pardon Assange. He did nothing for Assange. He pardoned all of these gangsters. He did nothing for warp speed, he accelerated it. He did nothing against Hillary his campaign was lock her up. You got to understand I gave him 1000s of dollars. I put signs up for him but you have to look at things as they are so we don’t make mistakes. So anyway, we support everything you’re doing. And I think you should.
You know, we want to support you will Jeffrey will put out
some fliers to support you guys will be there. And but I think the biggest lesson that we’re doing and one of the things we’re going to do is we’re going to give some we have this movement, we have an educational forum, we have a global movement about 400,000 people now, but we’re going to give you guys some support where all of you guys can take the course you and others and be part of this community. I’ll make sure Jeffrey does that. So we’re going to give you some scholarships to do that. So you don’t have to pay anything we try to we our movement, all of our hardware software, I’ve donated hardware, we run everything on our infrastructure. So we don’t rely on Facebook and WhatsApp. So one of the things Jeffery can do is you can also set up like a group, so you guys can communicate privately, you know, because WhatsApp is being watched and Facebook is being watched right now. Right? So So we’ve set up some infrastructure you guys can take advantage of if you need. So we’ll help you
find a potential shape. Yeah, well, I have my own physical. I don’t know if you know, I created the first email system when I was a kid. I’m a technologist, I went to a built a bunch of companies. But we have our own data center here. We have our own hardware here. We have our own software here. And so we’ve created an environment that is physically running on our computers. We’re not running on Amazon. Right? So we so we also have our own conferencing system we can share with you, okay. If you want, it’s up to you, but we want one, because communication is a problem. Yeah. So Jeffrey will help you with that. But we have to build this bottoms up movement globally. And we cannot no matter how good the politician sounds, you have to look at what they did Trump thing to Fauci nothing. He could have fired him. Now he’s the one who hired the idiots around him. Every one of them was a bunch of idiots. When I met with him for two hours, I left that meeting, realizing he was a lonely man, he had no one around him. But he made those decisions, Mark. Yeah, right.
So the best we can trust politicians is always trouble with them, because they always change the mind as soon as you turn you back. Exactly. So I’m saying it’s not an issue whether Trump was good or bad. Okay. The issue is, why are we trusting him? On January 6, he told people to march, you see the video, and then he went the other way.
Saying it’s
real time, right? Someone just foot Trump abandon the working people, the United States on January 6, you know, but then they keep this theater going, like a wrestling match, Biden versus Trump, and then we give them all money, thinking they’re gonna fight for us. Fuck that. I think we should build our own movement period. So we wanted to have you on
and talk to you and let you know we’re behind you. But let’s explosively grow this movement. That’s what we need to do. globally? Yeah, of course, we need to connect with each other to get the truth out there. Because that’s, that’s
the main thing we have to do the truth has to be out there. Exactly. All right. Well, we’ll do it. I’m going to do another video probably a couple of weeks from now, on the entire climate change thing, and I’ll send you a copy of that. We did it before. I’ll be redoing it again. But people need to get educated on the science that the science is absolutely fraudulent.
We started because we can attack them on the science. You say the science is flawed.
But
they’re imposing regulations, you say? So if you look at this diagram, what they’re doing is they fake the science. So they make up bullshit here. And then they control your freedom. But it all comes from bogus science.
Yeah, no.
Work. Yeah. Anyway, Mark. I know it’s late for you there. I think it’s what like almost 11 or 10, right? Yeah. I know you farmers up to get a birthday.
Give You Anything else, Mark. Before we leave? No, no, no, I’m fine. If I’m I was really happy to meet you. And I find it nice interview here. So
yeah, we also have a farmer Tony Pierce, who’s part of our movement. He’s a sheep farmer. He just he’s from New Zealand. Okay.
So we have farmers all over the world. WorldMark
Yeah, our slogan is truth. Freedom and health. Beyond left and right workers unite. Yeah, exactly. And by the way, Karl Marx doesn’t own that slogan workers unite some people immediately Oh, that’s it’s not it’s working people uniting that goes back to Egypt slave times, you know? Yeah.
All right, Mark. Thank you. I’m just gonna finish finish up playing a video but thank you very much. I know you have to get going but be well, you can listen to a video I have this very nice video if you want to listen to it.
I did. And then we’ll end our show here. So I’m going to play we play this video because I did this video many years ago about a year ago, it’s really our video, I’m gonna play it here you can listen to it, we have allowed our country to be taken over from within. And the end goal is you will have a homogenized world where we will become slaves, because there is a condition among the elites that really thinks they’re better than you. Deep down inside them, that you don’t deserve the freedoms you have. They don’t this reality is what people need to wake up to. And we need to all unite working people, there is only one movement that can do that. That is the movement that we started creating here messages the movement for truth, freedom. And, look, I’ve been a student of politics since I was a four year old kid setting revolutionary movements, left wing right wing, there’s a physics there’s a nuclear science to destroying the establishment. To build a bridge, you need to understand Newton’s equation, you need to understand the laws of gravity, you need to understand Poissons ratio, there is a way to build a revolution. And that’s why I put this together. My goal is to train a army of truth, freedom and health leaders. We don’t need followers on social media, we need leaders, but they they need training because educational system does not teach them history, nothing. So three hours, that’s what I’ve started doing. That’s the solution. We got to train people. First with understanding what a system is. The second is understanding the interconnection between truth, freedom and health. Freedom is the ability to move freely communicate freely, right talk freely. Without freedom, you cannot convert ideas, hypothesis into truth, which is science. And without freedom, you can’t really get to truth and without truth. You make up fake problems and fake solutions, which means you destroy our health. And without health, which is the infrastructure of us and our body. You can’t fight for freedom. Third concept is it has to be bottoms up working people, people who work uniting. And what the right wing has done is whatever you say working people unite that must be communist. Meanwhile, they’ve let the Democrats run unions, which suppress workers completely corrupt. But when you look at the arc of American history, it’s been when working people came up, we need to go local, every solution I’m coming up with as a part of this movement, we’re giving the science which is a truth. And then we tell people what they can do on the ground. Like with election fraud. You don’t need to wait for some lawyer. Our goal is to train people to have to go local to go local to go local fight locally. Forget lawyers, forget politicians, forget celebrities, you’ve got to learn politics, and there is a science to it, they lock us down, we should be ready to shut them down. And the fourth part of this principle is a not so obvious establishment. So when you look at a system, there’s always something that disturbs you from getting to your goal with the biggest disturbances and not so obvious establishment, which is those people who claim there for you on the left and the right, the Al Sharpton to tell black people I’m for you. The Tucker Carlson’s. Do you think any true anti establishment person will ever be on Fox or CNN? I don’t think so. They both mislead working people back into the establishment without this solid understanding of political physics. In theory, you’re screwed. You’re gonna follow on the left wing, Bernie Sanders. Oh, he said something or a Robert Kennedy scumbags? Are you going to follow you know, some right wing talk show host. They’re not going to lead us deliberation, it’s us. And that political physics, it’s a nuclear science of change. Bottoms up. We have to organize to understand that there is people who talk a good game, and then look at what they actually do left and right. I’m sorry, Sean Hannity may say some good things, but I don’t see the urgency in his voice to get something done. And it can only come when you weaponize yourself with the right knowledge, you need to be able to identify a rat. You know, Christ didn’t go after the Romans, right. It was the Pharisees and the Sadducees, who screwed him up his own quote unquote, people.
And that’s where we’re at. So these four concepts are built into a curriculum, people can go to ba shiva.com. And it’s an educational program, we need to train people in political theory, you need to have physics, and I’ve created that curriculum. People need to get educated, we need to get educated fast. And within half an hour, an hour, I can teach people two years of MIT control systems, I teach people those concepts that I apply it, anyone can understand it. And then you say, Oh, I gotta build a bottoms up movement. They have to get politically astute. And then they have to go locally and act not sit there on social media. They have to act locally, defy locally, do civil obedience locally, but with knowledge on how to build a movement, and the Senate campaigns expanded to the movement for truth, freedom and health and they can find it on V as in Victor, a Shiva V A shiva.com. So people can sign into it can get access to a bunch of videos, if they want to take a course and become a true freedom health leader. I offer a full scholarship there, but we want people to make a commitment that they’ll do
study that they all get certified that they’ll go do activities on the ground. So go to V A Shiva victory America, Shiva vas shiva.com.
So anyway, Mark, what we did was, you know, when I ran for office, it wasn’t we knew that they would cheat us in the elections, we had 3000 people on the ground, and they literally cheated us. We won the election, they deleted ballot images. But we did it not to win the election per se, because we know they’re cheaters. But we exposed all this stuff you saying? So the movement is what we want to build. So we support everything you’re doing, because it has all the great features. It’s bottoms up, you guys are uncompromising. And anyway, so I hope that video sort of gave you where we’re coming from. Yeah, it’s nice to see.
All right. Anyway, Mark, thank you. Let’s stay in touch. Maybe you can give us another update. And I’ll have Jeffrey be in touch with you to give you whatever support you need, in terms of some of the technology things that we have that you can use. Yeah, I wish you very much. Good luck with your movement. And hope to see you again one time. Thanks, Mark. Thanks, Jeffrey. Thank you, everyone. Have a good day. Have a good weekend. Be well. Thank you. Bye bye. Bye bye.
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